Redefining Reality: A Conversation with Indy Johar on Systemic Transformation

Indy Johar Joins Manda Scott to Discuss a New Era of Interconnectedness and the Urgent Need for Societal Reform.

This is my review of the enlightening exchange between architect and systemic thinker Indy Johar and Manda Scott, I delve into the profound insights and visionary ideas discussed. This conversation, a meeting of minds, illuminates the urgent need for a new interconnected era and the imperative for sweeping societal reforms.

In an era marked by rapid technological advancement and global interconnectedness, Indy Johar articulates a profound transformation in how we perceive our relationship with the world. This is not merely an incremental change; it’s a paradigm shift, a renaissance in human thought occurring perhaps once in four or five centuries. We are witnessing the end of an era defined by objectification, classification, and property rights, and the emergence of a new worldview centered on entanglement, inter-becoming, and a redefined sense of self.

We stand at a moment of ultimate transition, transformation, or potential collapse. Johar emphasizes that we face a critical choice:

to shift into a new way of being or to be complicit in the destruction of our species and most life on this planet.

The narrative of destruction, often promoted by what can be described as the predatory capital death cult, is prevalent. Those in power within our current system, lacking creativity, internal flexibility, and the courage to envision a future beyond business as usual, drive this narrative. Our business ecosystems, media, and political and governance structures are deeply entangled in this destructive mindset, and changing this in the immediate future seems daunting.

However, Johar suggests that many individuals possess the creativity, courage, and flexibility needed to foster change. These people are actively working against the prevailing narrative, striving to bring about a transformative shift in our worldview and way of life.

Johar argues that our traditional understanding of individualism and property as static, isolated concepts is crumbling under the weight of undeniable externalities. Climate change, with CO2 as a prime example, microplastics, and the proliferation of global information systems are revealing the intricate, inextricable connections that bind us to our environment and each other. These are not mere symptoms but manifestations of a deeper interconnectivity that challenges the foundations of our existing worldview.

Quantum physics, with thinkers like David Bohm, has long hinted at this entanglement, suggesting a universe far removed from the Newtonian clockwork. Johar draws on these ideas to propose a shift from the traditional, singular notion of humanity, exemplified by Leonardo da Vinci’s Vitruvian Man, to a concept of humanity as a multitude, intertwined in space and time.

This transformation is not superficial; it’s a fundamental restructuring of how we exist.

It compels us to reimagine our relationships with the world, moving from an economy of resources and dead things to one of agents and inter-becomings (1). Johar suggests that everything, from ecological systems to machines, should be perceived as agents, not mere assets. This shift lays the groundwork for a “Great Emancipation,” extending the concept of enfranchisement beyond humans to include non-human entities.

The implications of this worldview are profound. Ownership rights give way to treaties and relationships founded on care. In complexity, care becomes a critical operational principle, moving us from a fixed, predetermined interaction to a dynamic, developmental one. This perspective resonates with indigenous worldviews, where nature is not dominated but respected as sovereign.

As we stand at this crossroads, the choices we make will shape the future of humanity and our planet. Johar’s insights, along with the efforts of those challenging the status quo, provide a roadmap for navigating this transformative era, urging us to embrace our entanglements and redefine our relationships with the world and each other. This is more than a technological or economic shift; it’s a philosophical and ethical revolution, redefining what it means to be human in an interconnected universe.

(1) for more on Interbeing and Interbecoming Double click to this post Interbeing a force of renewal

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